Haters gonna Hate

Haters gonna Hate

So I pick up my daily Guardian for the bus journey, rip into the G2 supplement first (doesn't everyone?) and was confronted with this article that I could feel would make me irrate before I even started scan-reading the text.  "Why I Hate Fashion" by Tanya Gold, whose writing I actually normally get a few chuckles out of.  There are all the hazardous assumptions that a lot of mainstream media perpetuate about fashion as this 'evil' entity that I didn't think someone like Gold would well… continue to perpetuate.  

I'm not going to be long-winded about it because after all it is a Friday and I'm not in the right state of mind to form a rebuttal with any ounce of coherence… but as far as I can surmise… Gold has distilled her hatred of fashion because of the following…

… Carrie Bradshaw's love of shoes…

… a girl falling over in her heels in between two trains and dying…

… a model having a horrendous time in the industry…

… her hollow feelings of buying something expensive and designer…

Are we not missing a few things here?  Gold's hatred of fashion is based on high heels, mal-treated models and gross consumption, when fashion and style (I'm lumping the two together because I'm thinking Gold hasn't made a distinction between the two…) is SO much more than that… 

Even her choice of a black button down top with a bit of frilly detail down it in this ostensibly ANTI-fashion photo of her (you can see it better in the paper) somewhat contradicts her repugnance of 'fashion'…


Funnier that some comments are all commending Gold on 'hitting the nail on the head' with her revealing some supposedly clandestine truth about fashion being an evil consumer machine.  This we all know.  But me thinks most of us here knowingly have our own love/hate relationship with this machine and can also choose to consume fashion in it, around it or on the periphery of it.


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  1. pamflet

    2010-01-22 at 12:34 PM

    Absol-frikking-lutely spot on Ms B.
    I am SO bored of fashion/style being dismissed as superficial and the people who enjoy it are shallow or stupid – that’s really offensive. Fashion is as valid a form of self-expression as art, music or literature. Of course fashion has its ‘dark side’, but so does every other global industry.
    It’s such a cheap, lazy shot to ‘hate’ fashion and almost too boring to comment on, but I’m glad you did Susie.
    the pamflet girls

  2. Alicia - Sea Of Ghosts

    2010-01-22 at 12:36 PM

    Fashion is just an industry that affords many people a means to survive. One, like say… opinion-based journalism, that is completely subjective and can be argued that the world could do without. So you know, it’s all relative.

  3. Playlust

    2010-01-22 at 12:43 PM

    If Gold claims she hates fashion so much, why is she trying so damn hard to look like the old anti-fashion stereotype, not even shying away from the oldest of clichés, the parka.

  4. Jess

    2010-01-22 at 12:47 PM

    I hate wearing heels and Carrie feckin Bradshaw and all that jazz but I still love fashion to bits xx

  5. loy

    2010-01-22 at 12:56 PM

    Didn’t Anna Wintour say something in the ‘September Issue’ along the lines of….”People that like to rubbish fashion as pointless, do it just because they feel excluded and not part of the ‘cool’ gang” It seems to me that when people bitch about ‘Fashion’ it has more to do with their own insecurities. ooo what an article to read first thing! x

  6. Alice

    2010-01-22 at 1:05 PM

    Haha, I like Alicia’s comment – No, no there’s no horrible side to journalism. Actually I’m not going to comment as it’s just backing up the points your other readers have made. Hating fashion is just about your own insecurities like loy said and Playust is right, this dressing ironically isn’t really clever. Pamflet have summed it up perfectly. Thanks everyone!

  7. Zoe

    2010-01-22 at 1:21 PM

    I abhor people who are ‘anti-fashion’. The parka jacket she has over her knee for example was a fashionable item to have in the 90s. All these instances that make her hate fashion are ridiculous. The fashion industry is a cruel one, but you’re right – she makes no distinction between personal style and that industry. We all want to make ourselves look attractive, without having to adhere to the norm, which if many people choose to follow. It’s their own choice.

  8. Styletastic

    2010-01-22 at 1:22 PM

    god, i can barely be bothered to comment in protest of this article. Haven’t we all heard shit like this a million times before? I don’t know why people feel more clever and moral after hating on fashion, but it is boring me to pieces.

  9. susie_bubble

    2010-01-22 at 1:28 PM

    Yeah, it is all very tedious…
    I still feel riled but alas, too BORED to construct a proper argument…

  10. Kate

    2010-01-22 at 1:31 PM

    Since when did high heels automatically become a dictionary definition for the word fashion? I don’t think one automatically leads to the other & personally I hardly wear them but not because I have a disdain for fashion or because I want to make an “anti statement”. It’s just because I can’t walk in them! Yes, each to their own but to dismiss fashion purely as frivolous seems like a bit of a cheap shot.

  11. Eline

    2010-01-22 at 1:32 PM

    Ugh, this attitude towards fashion is so tiring! I come across it all the time and I know I’m not the only one… It always reminds me of the attitude of the first wave feminists towards fashion who ostensibly dressed very plain. It’s a logical stance when in an environment that proclaims that woman’s only role is a very superficial one and that was very tightly linked with “dressing up in frills” and there’s still traces of that in our current time but dressing up isn’t superficial at all. It’s an everyday creative outlet.

  12. S

    2010-01-22 at 1:35 PM

    She obviously hasn’t done her research properly. She could start by looking at online style blogs. But that’s her loss…just means we look better haha!

  13. Kathy

    2010-01-22 at 1:47 PM

    The article sounds like its been written by an angst ridden teenager who feels the need to loathe something due to their own lack of self esteem. This week the target happens to be the world of fashion.

  14. Duck

    2010-01-22 at 1:51 PM

    It’s amazing how an intelligent person manages to conflate her hatred of advertising techniques (Selfridges), discrimination (against fat people) and down-right stupidity (the girl who fell under the train). She has completely failed to notice that most designers, stylists, fashion journalists, photographers, textiles producers etc etc are not one and the same person, and are certainly not out to get her. And most certainly wouldn’t recommend running in the snow in 6-inch heels.
    Fashion is not an industry for everyone, but there is no rule saying you have to follow the “trends”. It is her own insecurities that generate her hatred for the industry.
    Fashion provides a needed and enjoyable creative outlet for so many people, it’s just like the quote (I’ve forgotten who I copied this from, if anyone knows…):
    “But that is the fashion industry. You know how that is. The creative one at the school, the outsider, the goth or the gay guy ‚Äî whatever it is, they always get made fun of. I feel like they all got together and moved to New York City and made the fashion industry”
    What would people like us to do without the industry we love so much? Would the author be happier knowing that the hundreds of thousands of us were prevented from doing what we love?

  15. Steffi

    2010-01-22 at 2:03 PM

    I’ve read her article and get the feeling she confuses fashion with beauty standards.
    While they are connected, they are not the same, and I believe fashion is actually a powerful tool to fight narrow-minded beauty standards.

  16. Achilleas

    2010-01-22 at 2:40 PM

    people are afraid of fashion. they are intimidated by it and they let it down
    they can not understand that fashion can be the way to find yourself and express your individuality.

  17. Denise @ Swelle

    2010-01-22 at 2:40 PM

    Talk about convoluted logic. I think Steffi’s right about the beauty standards confusion. I can’t help but wonder if she lost the weight, would she feel different? I bet she would. Her fat ‘saved her from fashion’ but is that a theory of convenience so that she doesn’t have to feel rejected by it?
    I’m not being insensitive here. I went up three sizes thanks to a medication I had to be on for two years that is notorious for weight gain. Now I’m off it and I’m trying to lose it slowly. So fatty-hater I am not. I am a fatty at the moment. I just prefer not to lose my head over such things.

  18. Sabine

    2010-01-22 at 2:49 PM

    Supposedly rebellious and pc articles like these combined with the weekly fashion updates (and the hypocrisy coming with this attitude) are the reason I stopped reading the Guardian. Naturally the picture is a great temptation to start ranting about the author herself, but let’s not go down that route…

  19. Sabine

    2010-01-22 at 2:50 PM

    P.S. … one of the reasons.

  20. Joanne Tay

    2010-01-22 at 2:56 PM

    Does she hate fashion because she’s fat? I am 5’3, 160lbs, US size 12, can’t walk in anything higher than 2 inch heels, can’t afford anything more expensive than This Fashion (Singapore’s answer to Target) but I still love fashion. I don’t think one has to spend a bomb or be a size 0 to look good.

  21. Samantha

    2010-01-22 at 3:07 PM

    Tanya Gold infuriates me on a regular basis so this article doesn’t surprise me at all. I think she just gets a kick out of criticising a lot of stuff she doesn’t really understand.

  22. LarsS

    2010-01-22 at 3:10 PM

    Ok, have a good day.
    The Best Of Sweden

  23. All Women Stalker

    2010-01-22 at 3:26 PM

    Loving fashion is a bit like religion really. People will always have varying opinions about it; people will have varying stories about how it’s good/or bad for them. In the end, it’s all about how it makes an individual feel good; without having to brainwash others to “follow” a certain way of thinking.

  24. Astrid

    2010-01-22 at 3:37 PM

    Fashion involves an enormous array of design and choices and by being all negative you are just making another choice-I love the art of fashion, the colors, the styles…
    I can’t imagine people who aren’t in love with innovation.

  25. AngieMontreal

    2010-01-22 at 3:44 PM

    Her view on fashion is VERY narrow…when I read her article I think “this girl barely even knows what she’s talking about, she has such a singular view”. The fashion industry, like all industries, is complex and full of all types of companies and all types of people. To bulk it all together as being one basic concept is just…well, simple-minded.
    RE the 16 year old unhappy model: I remember being 16 quite well…seems to me that MOST people were a bit unhappy/unsure of themselves at various points in time…I believe the scientists call it “puberty”. Joking aside though, we all know there are unhappy models out there, but I’ve known a few models in my time that are happy too. Just as there are unhappy people working in soulless cubicles, who then go nuts (ie. Office Space, I know it’s a movie, but I would take bets that similar things have happened in real life). So….wow, you met an unhappy model. One person. That must mean they’re ALL like that. My apologies.
    I’m basically really sick of people blaming outside sources for their unhappiness. It’s YOUR life, if you’re not happy with what you’re doing/how you’re feeling, do something to change it. Don’t write a pointless and poorly researched article about a topic you know almost nothing about, blaming a whole industry for your unhappiness. Last time I checked no one was forcing you to care about fashion. If you don’t enjoy it, don’t do it. End of story.
    Whew, it’s WAY too early for this kind of ranting…off to the post office.

  26. mar

    2010-01-22 at 3:49 PM

    I’m thinking miss Gold will soon start a series of articles under the name “Hate’s my only motto” where she tries to find hatable things about relative and enormously complex themes. she totally misses the point here

  27. Zenobie

    2010-01-22 at 4:04 PM

    Everyone here has neglected to mention the rebellious nature of fashion. By dressing the way we want are we not all rebelling against the status quo that dictates practicality and function should be our main considerations when dressing ourselves? Do we really want everyone to like the way we dress? I personally like the fact that the way I dress sets me apart from other people and articles like this just make me want to continue dressing in an even more outrageous way. Also I think that people like Gold have a very one sided view of the world of fashion, the side perpetuated by films like the Devil Wears Prada, they completely miss the creative and artistic side and neglect to realise that for many people fashion is an outlet and a way to express their creative identity.

  28. diane

    2010-01-22 at 4:15 PM

    There is balance in everything. I feel so sad for the girl who fell in front of a train on her heels, but I think the issue here is “fashion victim”, not fashion.

  29. Hannah

    2010-01-22 at 4:30 PM

    Whenever I see something like this, I can’t help but feel that fashion is particularly vulnerable to attack because it is an industry primarily enjoyed by women. While I understand frustration from women who feel there is an expectation for them to enjoy fashion when they do not, I don’t think fashion is the culprit and it’s certainly no more frivolous than most things people do in their free time. Once again, sexism is to blame. Awesome.

  30. moi

    2010-01-22 at 4:42 PM

    Two sides to every coin…depends on experiences really, cultural and social climate you’re brought up in, or work in etc…things can be observed from various angles and dissected over, ridiculed and so on…then we still end up where we began on the cycle of opinion. Fuck, I think I’m mellowing in my old-age…24!!! But yea, where measure is counter-balanced with perceived extravagance, an onslaught usually ensues. I personally don’t really like girls in huge heels, I’m not a midget or anything, I’m 6 foot…I just think the posture of a girl looks more comfortable in 3″ as opposed to 5″…that’s just my opinion and of course many will not agree…it’s what we call life! Instead of blaming heels for the loss of a life, we should maybe re-evaluate the infrastructure around the catastrophe? However, I’m guessing the author (Gold, how ironic a name!!!) wasn’t in a position (or of intellect) to discuss such nuances, which incorporate many political and economic fractions.

  31. Natty

    2010-01-22 at 5:05 PM

    You cant tell me she picked that top and parka for basic functional reasons. She is a consumer of the fashion industry whether she likes it or not. And more to the point, what the fuck is wrong with yoghurt?
    My fave quote – “And I couldn’t help suspecting that had she been wearing a shoe designed for movement, rather than to push her breasts out and her pelvis forward, she would be alive.” way to go Tanya, you think? And I have personally laughed in harvey Nicols as well so that blows that load of bile out of the water!

  32. Sarah

    2010-01-22 at 5:09 PM

    What ridiculous grounds for hating fashion! I totally agree with you that she cannot talk about fashion in this way without giving any kind of backup for it. She doesn’t understand something, she shouldn’t criticise it. Love your blog by the way:) Xoxo

  33. No Fashion Lover

    2010-01-22 at 5:11 PM

    Oh for god’s sake – poor article I thought with poor evidence.
    Personally, I think fashion only becomes negative if you let it control you; but if you control fashion, it’s amazingly enjoyable and sometimes, makes you feel more beautiful than any compliment.

  34. Paige Murphy

    2010-01-22 at 5:17 PM

    In the comments there is one Jess Bunyan who really does hit the nail on the head.
    I never really thought of how fashion magazines make me feel about my self, it’s not really an issue of that, it makes me feel happy though, I’m entertained, I like reading the articles about things, looking at the photography, the models and the features. How I feel about myself is not really an issue.

  35. Aggie

    2010-01-22 at 5:34 PM

    ummm why are most of you being so aggressive?! This woman is perfectly entitled to hate fashion. Yes you may feel its unjustified, but after all, columnists are not there to pander to popular opinion or indeed anyone else’s opinion for that matter – they are there simply to talk about things that interest them, affect their lives – to write about whatever they bloody well want to – and amuse us by doing so. So if she hasn’t properly defined her terms or considered all standpoints or know enough about the industry or been absolutely precise in setting out the scope of her article then who really cares? This is not an analytic philosophy essay, but an account of personal opinion/experience. Does it really make you so annoyed that someone doesn’t like what you like? I very much doubt that she is launching a personal attack on each and every fashion lover (of which I am one I might add). And perhaps provoking reaction is in part what she was aiming for in the first place. So basically, if it makes you irate, then fine, if you agree with her, also fine. No one is right, no one is wrong – so no big deal.

  36. e

    2010-01-22 at 5:39 PM

    Can anyone differentiate between fashion and style anymore?!
    Wearing all-designer, all-the-time, all in the exact style dictated by magazines, may be “stupidly” following the “ugly fashion monster”.
    But what ever happened to having personal style? What about people that follow THEIR instinct for dressing themselves without wearing trainers and track pants every day? I hate to use the word “alternative,” but what about all the goth kids or punk kids or WHATEVER in schools all over the world who wear what they wear DESPITE it not being “fashionable” and mainstream and are harassed for it? Are they fashion victims?
    I hate this idea that if you wear anything but sensible shoes and jeans that you are a “fashion follower” or “fashion victim.” I don’t own any “IT” items or “on-trend” pieces but I still dress up every single day, and if I did happen to like many trends for a season because they suited my taste, SO WHAT? You shouldn’t NOT follow a trend you like just because it is trendy; that’s just as bad as following it because it IS trendy!
    This woman comes across so incredibly whiny and pathetic. To be honest, the whole thing just reads like it stems from her insecurities about being fat, and her problems with society’s demands on her figure. Running away from fashion and wearing only tunics that you clearly also hate because you’ve put on some weight is NOT acceptance! She is NOT embracing being fat AT ALL!
    I say she should go out and buy some ridiculous six inch fuschia heels and a spandex jumpsuit and say FUCK YOU FASHION! I DON’T CARE IF I’M FAT AND YOU DON’T LIKE ME! Then she would really be dealing with it as a strong woman.

  37. Theresa

    2010-01-22 at 5:46 PM

    Ooh I wouldn’t take it to seriously.
    Any article featuring the sentence ‘Then I put a colander on my head.’ should probably be taken with a pinch of salt 😉

  38. dave

    2010-01-22 at 6:02 PM

    Perhaps she should turn her hate to all the biscuits and burgers that made her so fat, as she clearly states her size as a factor in this ‘rebellion’
    So is it now a good thing to ‘let yourself go’ as they used to say in the old days????
    Poor her she does sound miserable..

  39. Mimi

    2010-01-22 at 6:08 PM

    I’m with Aggie. The outraged comments (and scattered ad hominem attacks about her lack of character or intelligence) are a bit much. The fashion industry is enormous (we might even call it the fashion-industrial complex, there are so many deep linkages between institutional structures involved) but there are certainly aspects of it that are horrible and dehumanizing. (Sweated labor most obviously, but let’s not ignore the fact that some designers’ “inspirations” are made possible by colonialisms, Orientalisms, and classisms aestheticizing some “other” bodies at the cost of their complex personhood.) If she does not acknowledge its creative aspects (for designers or some consumers), it does no good to counter her by refusing to acknowledge its terrible ones.

  40. Marisa

    2010-01-22 at 6:14 PM

    I do agree with a lot of what everyone has said thus far. Honestly in my opinion hatred is an emotion that comes from deep down really loving something, or wanting something that you cant have or isnt you so its kind of manifested into hatred. I dunno. All the time people spend hating is time that could be better spent trying to attain their goals or bettering themselves as a person. Why point out all the reasons you hate something and try to recruit people on ur bandwagon??? Just saying…
    BTW, I saw you in the forever21 add campaign magazine they give out at the store. You go girl!! You look awesome. Congrats. I was proud to see bloggers who i regularly follow!!!

  41. Pearl Westwood

    2010-01-22 at 6:19 PM

    Most of the comments have not been removed LOL!
    It is a shame she feels so insecure about putting on weight, that she feels she is outside fashion. You dont have to be a sample size to be or enjoy fashion! If she thinks Harvey Nics isn’t fun, then why not go with a friend and enjoy dressing up. I feel sorry for her, she seems very insecure and lonely. Maybe she needs to go see Gok Wan!

  42. Citizen Rosebud

    2010-01-22 at 6:25 PM

    if she hates “fashion” so much, why is she qualified to write about it? Here in the town where I live there is a column in the monthly freebie where a woman takes Sartorialist-style street fashion photos. Her qualifications? Unknown. Her own words: “Don’t know much about fashion, I just know what I like.” And the pictures reflect that, just pictures of pretties wearing the latest from Urban Outfitters and such. It’s the stylish folks who know alot from fashion that I find inspiring. Insert your name here, Susie.

  43. Steffi

    2010-01-22 at 7:11 PM

    What really rubs me the wrong way though, is that she has to exploit that poor girls death to say: “See?! Fashion kills!”

  44. maru

    2010-01-22 at 7:16 PM

    Excellent post, Susie. Your last line really sums it up well. I imagine Tanya was trying to write an extreme, provocative argument to rankle readers. But it doesn’t make room for any nuance that can exist in the fashion world.

  45. Freeartlondon.wordpress.com

    2010-01-22 at 7:30 PM

    Bang on, Susie.
    I read this earlier today and found it condescending, ill-informed and embarrassing. I personally don’t think that anyone should expect to get away with characterising women who like fashion as frivolous airheads.
    Irrespective of the colander on her head, surely a journalist who suggests that women fall in front of trains because they wear heels is making a serious statement even if it is ridiculous! And yeah, that’s what Tanya Gold generally does, but it’s just so tired and half-arsed. She’s like Julie Burchill, standing on her head, with one hand tied behind her back, asleep.

  46. lisa

    2010-01-22 at 7:43 PM

    “most of us here knowingly have our own love/hate relationship with this machine”
    You nailed it for me right there, Susie. I love fashion but I have to work through my conflicting feelings about consumerism, waste, and expenditure and reconcile that with my love of stylish things. 🙂

  47. Winnie

    2010-01-22 at 7:46 PM

    I love heated debates like these because at the end of the day, no matter how much you say you dislike fashion- you still have to wear it and what you CHOOSE to wear still says so much about you. Yep to the anti-fashion statement. You’re still projecting an image with your clothes.

  48. Make Do Style

    2010-01-22 at 7:49 PM

    Don’t get me started on the banality of I hate fashion rubbish writing. I’m glad I didn’t get it today ‘cos actually I bought Grazia!!
    I command Ms Gold to read Elizabeth Wilson Adorned in Dreams.
    She has confused consumption with fashion – arghhhh!
    I’m going to stop now.

  49. jem

    2010-01-22 at 8:56 PM

    Gold’s article sure gave me a laugh, thats for sure. i think its interesting to note that she describes herself as “fat.” obviously she has some self esteem issues if she can only rant and rave about this “horrible industry” without understanding that anyone can have style, no matter what size you are. so maybe her real issue is that she hasn’t found anything which is stylish/fashionable which fits her properly, therefore she’s taking out her anger on an industry which isn’t really to blame. if she really felt this bad about herself then she would make changes, such as eating healthier, working out or seeking therapy. as for blaming fashion as the reason as to why a girl died, that is dumb. unfortunatly, this still could have occured if she was wearing track shoes, so its useless to blame other people, when in reality there is no one to blame. what happened of course is very sad, but its no use to taking it out on other people. fashion and style are ment to be fun and express one’s self, and it is clear from the article that tanya gold, isn’t doing a very good job doing so.

  50. Evelien Van Steenbergen

    2010-01-22 at 9:14 PM

    I would much rather say YOU hit the nail on the head 🙂

  51. Teacups & Couture

    2010-01-22 at 9:34 PM

    whatever, fashion isn’t for everyone…

  52. Teacups & Couture

    2010-01-22 at 9:34 PM

    whatever, fashion isn’t for everyone…

  53. Teacups & Couture

    2010-01-22 at 9:34 PM

    whatever, fashion isn’t for everyone…

  54. Teacups & Couture

    2010-01-22 at 9:34 PM

    whatever, fashion isn’t for everyone…

  55. Teacups & Couture

    2010-01-22 at 9:34 PM

    whatever, fashion isn’t for everyone…

  56. Teacups & Couture

    2010-01-22 at 9:34 PM

    whatever, fashion isn’t for everyone…

  57. Teacups & Couture

    2010-01-22 at 9:34 PM

    whatever, fashion isn’t for everyone…

  58. Teacups & Couture

    2010-01-22 at 9:34 PM

    whatever, fashion isn’t for everyone…

  59. Teacups & Couture

    2010-01-22 at 9:34 PM

    whatever, fashion isn’t for everyone…

  60. Teacups & Couture

    2010-01-22 at 9:34 PM

    whatever, fashion isn’t for everyone…

  61. Teacups & Couture

    2010-01-22 at 9:34 PM

    whatever, fashion isn’t for everyone…

  62. Teacups & Couture

    2010-01-22 at 9:34 PM

    whatever, fashion isn’t for everyone…

  63. Teacups & Couture

    2010-01-22 at 9:34 PM

    whatever, fashion isn’t for everyone…

  64. Teacups & Couture

    2010-01-22 at 9:34 PM

    whatever, fashion isn’t for everyone…

  65. Teacups & Couture

    2010-01-22 at 9:34 PM

    whatever, fashion isn’t for everyone…

  66. Teacups & Couture

    2010-01-22 at 9:34 PM

    whatever, fashion isn’t for everyone…

  67. Teacups & Couture

    2010-01-22 at 9:34 PM

    whatever, fashion isn’t for everyone…

  68. Teacups & Couture

    2010-01-22 at 9:34 PM

    whatever, fashion isn’t for everyone…

  69. Teacups & Couture

    2010-01-22 at 9:34 PM

    whatever, fashion isn’t for everyone…

  70. Teacups & Couture

    2010-01-22 at 9:34 PM

    whatever, fashion isn’t for everyone…

  71. Teacups & Couture

    2010-01-22 at 9:34 PM

    whatever, fashion isn’t for everyone…

  72. Teacups & Couture

    2010-01-22 at 9:34 PM

    whatever, fashion isn’t for everyone…

  73. Teacups & Couture

    2010-01-22 at 9:34 PM

    whatever, fashion isn’t for everyone…

  74. Teacups & Couture

    2010-01-22 at 9:34 PM

    whatever, fashion isn’t for everyone…

  75. frances

    2010-01-22 at 10:14 PM

    i nearly choked on my breakfast when i read this in the G2. I hate how easily people can equate ANYTHING involving clothes (sweatshops, eating disorders, someone being strangled with a bowtie…) with the WHOLE fashion industry.
    and Gold’s tone is just so self-righteous. as though her choice to be overweight (if it is a choice) automatically means that she’s MUCH less shallow and more intelligent than anyone who’s ever even tried on a pair of heels. i ranted about this article to my mother for about half an hour so i’m going to reign myself in now and just say that i strongly disliked everything about it.

  76. KD

    2010-01-22 at 11:01 PM

    See Evelien’s comment.

  77. ellio100

    2010-01-22 at 11:54 PM

    tanya gold pisses me off every week. every week she hates on something because she’s missed the point, and acts all sassy and arrogant because of it. this week she really cheesed me off though… consumption and dressing for men and fashion and style and beauty are all different things. which is exacerbated by the fact that her argument seemed to boil down to her shock that buying designer clothes hasn’t solved her self-esteem issues. d’oh.
    we all know that there are flaws in The Fashion Industry (as any). but she didn’t look at the valid shortcomings (which the Guardian’s Hadley Freeman has pointed out before) but this stupid memememememe crap. as a side note, it’s also interesting that how often she draws attention to her weight, and seeks to justify/defend it.

  78. Natty

    2010-01-22 at 11:59 PM

    Aggy, Mimmi – I think you may be missing the point a little. What is the purpose of having a sloppy, half arsed, crappy written article in a paper by a “journalist” which even goes so far as to exploit the death of a girl? She can hate on fashion as much as she wants and if she wrote a proper article, as a journalist should do, then I wouldnt even bother commenting. What really annoys me is how someone can write any old bollocks these days and be published. Its like someone totally dissing one of your fave interests or lifestyles in a really incoherent, non factual and sloppy way. Wouldnt that piss you off a bit too?

  79. Alicia

    2010-01-23 at 12:34 AM

    Very true, Susie. I think people who are on the outside of an industry or something-or-other will outline reasons for their dislike that are well-known and established for the people who consider themselves a part of it. It’s a very narrow view.

  80. miss sophie

    2010-01-23 at 12:41 AM

    brilliantly and pithily well put, susie!
    i think the best examples of people who are trying to articulate their – alternate – views of what fashion and style can and should be are the lovely and fantastically talented young designers, many of whom are women. i’m thinking of Rachel Comey, the ladies behind Vena Cava, Maria Cornejo, etc etc and so many of the young artists and designers you feature regularly on your blog.
    there are many voices in the fashion industry. and being a critical consumer is a good thing. but denouncing an entire industry on the basis of some provocative problems is just facile and insulting to the many people who put all their talent, passion and love into their work.

  81. style mews

    2010-01-23 at 1:33 AM

    bad article badly researched. meh… what ever ms. gold.

  82. eliza

    2010-01-23 at 4:58 AM

    as usual, very well put. it’s a constant battle for me because i find the whole ‘machine’ aspect of the fashion industry really offputing…but then i turn around and get inspired by a well placed frill or some such thing that to someone who isn’t as excited about style, would likely seem silly…no, i definitely don’t think fashion can be whittled down to as simple and closed-minded an argument as the one made by Tanya Gold. i suppose those who can’t see the fun in fashion simply needn’t shit all over everyone else’s fun…

  83. WendyB

    2010-01-23 at 5:08 AM

    Was she trying to be funny? Because I felt like she was trying but failing.
    If she was serious…that’s actually kind of funnier!
    I mean, does no one ever fall while wearing flat shoes? So men basically are immune to falls unless they’re drag queens? No man has ever fallen down?

  84. Alice

    2010-01-23 at 1:14 PM

    I enjoy this blog a lot but I do find its tone consistently rather, well… humourless. This post being case in point. Come on Susie, lighten up!

  85. Rachel

    2010-01-23 at 1:29 PM

    I agree with Citizen Rosebud, not so much has been said about Gold exploiting that poor girl’s death. It was a cheap shot to link her wearing high heeled shoes in order to ‘push her breasts out’ etc. If a man had a long flapping scarf that got trapped in the doors of the tube and choked him, would Gold be equally as disparaging?

  86. miss woo

    2010-01-23 at 1:47 PM

    Really glad you posted this as I spend a lot of time reading the article yesterday!
    I don’t actually think Gold’s comment are that invalid, but the same criticism she leveled at the fashion industry can also be directed to Hollywood or the music industry. Every ‘industry’ that makes money/produce on a mass scale is potentially exploitative, fashion just get the brunt because it is an easy target. As consumers we should question what, and the way we buy, but that applies to everything, not just clothes.

  87. Speffles

    2010-01-23 at 5:14 PM

    It is a poorly thought out article. I still haven’t worked out what it she actually really hates about fashion. It all seems to skirt around some real but undefined issue. I get a sense of frustration from it which I recognise (from days spent trawling the high street in vain). If I could make a stab at what’s really getting to her it’s not the clothes but the perceived judgements of others. And, to be fair, people can be really judgemental. Not sure how judging people who do enjoy fashion so harshly makes that all better though.

  88. G

    2010-01-23 at 8:49 PM

    Thank you , i tried to make a point out of this on my blog, and oh in did anger me big time…and she cant say she hates fashion when she still wears it ,,,know where im coming from? x
    i ust started my blig 4 days ago check it out girlys

  89. Grace

    2010-01-23 at 11:59 PM

    Rather than argue back myself I’ll let the vastly more qualified Hilary Alexander do the talking…

  90. Deniselee.wordpress.com

    2010-01-24 at 8:57 PM

    Love/Hate is right! As someone who worked in fashion, even I sometimes struggled to find meaning in all this frippery and madness. But in the end, I think fashion just gives you opportunity to escape the mundane and make yourself happy – there’s nothing wrong with that!

  91. sarah

    2010-01-24 at 9:34 PM

    Susie B – nice rebuttal.
    What strikes me here is that while we can differentiate between fashion and advertising (which Gold, sadly, conflates), have we even considered separating out the industry from fashion/style itself? Forget mass production and consumption fueled by the industry, to me, style is always individual, and fashion as a medium is an opportunity for artists to express themselves via their own style.
    And so I ask, what about those who are largely off the grid of this industry (high street or boutiques)? There are those who source wearables that are one of a kind, antique, rework vintage finds, or even make their own from scratch – and who use fashion as a medium to express unique personas. To me, this is what fashion is really about. The mass production and consumption is a watering-down for those who must be dressed, but aren’t interested in investing in creating a truly personal style (which is a-okay by me – the world’s a busy place and we invest our time in what satisfies our own selves).
    For me, Gold’s argument breaks down when she conflates the fashion industry with high-street advertising, and capitalist consumption of the fashion INDUSTRY with “fashion” itself, which I consider a medium. We would never condemn “printing” on the basis of some cheap crap mass-produced posters; the art form is not comprised of nor defined by the junk offerings of the lowest common denominator, whatever attendant craze they may incite in consumers.
    Truly, Gold is working through some issues, but as a journalist, I think she might want to consider reframing her argument – or better yet, exploring the medium itself. Her writing might be a bit more nuanced and her statements a bit less pat and/or trite.

  92. kristy

    2010-03-20 at 1:42 AM

    i love that you talk about her clothing in the photograph because when i saw this i immediately thought about how the photo’s stylist probably spent much time and effort finding the right clothing to convey how uninterested in fashion ms. gold is. i.e. fashion is being used to convey a story in a photograph. and when you think about it like that, it almost sounds like an editorial spread, so she can talk all she wants about how she hates fashion and doesn’t engage in it, but that just makes her a hypocrite.

  93. Air Jordan 12

    2011-05-07 at 9:43 AM

    describes herself as “fat.” obviously she

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